Persey P ORRELL

Notes:

Last time I sent a transcript of the death cert for a John Vance
Orrell. At the time I wasn't sure that he was "our" guy, but now I'm
sure that he is. Here are further notes on John Orrell, husband of
Etta Turner:

(1) After Etta's death, John married (c.1916) Gracie Eggleston. He was
48; she was 19.

(2) Discrepancies relating to John Orrell's parents:
Dan L. Orrell & Lee Anne Rankin -- the death certificate.
D. M. & Leona Orrell -- the 1870 NC census (inferred).
Washington & Maggie Orrell -- Kristina Turner (2002). *******

(3) Discrepancies relating to John Orrell's birth date:
Oct 1866 -- the 1900 census (age 33).
Oct 1867 -- the death certificate.
1868-1869 -- the 1870 (age 1) and 1880 (age 11) censuses.
1869-1870 -- the 1920 census (age 50).

(4) Census data:

1870 NC: John Orrell, age 1, living with D. M. & Leona Orrell.

1880 NC: John Orrell, age 11, living with grandfather Albert Rankin.

The 1900 North Carolina census lists John [?] Orrell, age 33, born Oct
1866 in NC, married for 11 years, and living with his wife Etta and two
children at 517 Green St. in Greensboro. John's occupation is
"Shipping Clerk" and he can read and write. He rents his home. Both
of his parents were born in NC. The children are:
Percy H Son age 9
Roy L Son age 6
Also listed are two of Etta's sisters, Era Turner and Ora Turner.

The 1910 North Carolina census lists John V Orell, age 42?, born in NC,
married for 20 years, and living with his wife Etta and two children at
a house on Boulevard St. John's occupation is "Bone cloth man" at a
"Finishing Mill" where he works for wages. He rents his home. Both of
his parents were born in NC. The children are:
Persey P Son age 19?
LeRoy Son age 16

The 1920 North Carolina census lists J V Orrill, age 50, born in NC,
and living with his wife Gracie (age 22) as boarders in the home of G K
Eggleston. JV's occupation is "Foreman" at a "Cotton Mill" where he
works for wages. He can read and write. Both of his parents were born
in NC.

John married Etta Virginia TURNER. Etta (daughter of John H. R.\TURNER and Sarepta Jane PLUMMER) was born in May 1872 in NC; died on 09 Jul 1915 in Spray, R'ham Co., NC; was buried in Green Hill Cemetery, Greensboro, NC. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

From Tom McElfresh notes 3-22-03: Looks like Etta had more kids, but they died young:
1910 NC Rockingham Co E.D. 154 Leaksville Twp p. 53 Sheet 12A 21
Apr 1910
#179/185 Boulevard Street [image 23]

Orell, John V Head 42* M1 20 *; Finishing Mill
Etta V Wife 37 M1 20 5 2 none
Persey P Son 19* S weaver; cotton mill
LeRoy Son 16 S office work; office

All born in NC; all parents born in NC.
John's occupation looks something like "Bone cloth man" ???
John rents his house.

* asterisk denotes unclear or illegible entry
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Notes:

SOI: 1860 R'ham Co cen N/385-376
SOI: Wentworth reg of deeds:
1.) list J.H Turner birth (did not copy at time)
2.) list J.H.R Turner marriage date as Dec 30, 1869; bk 13, pg 7;
3.) the R was not shown in 1860 census. An assumption (VGF) is that this is
one and same.
SOI: 1880 NC Stokes Co Census, Yadkin TWP
List Mary, age 72 and all children except J.V. Turner. Mary is probably Tyree's second wife Mary Glenn

John married Sarepta Jane PLUMMER on 22 Dec 1869 in Rockingham Co, NC. Sarepta (daughter of Thorton PLUMMER and Mary UNK) was born on 10 Oct 1852 in NC; died on 12 Jul 1915 in Spray, R'ham Co., NC; was buried on 13 Jul 1915 in Greensboro, NC. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

SOI: Greensboro News dated July 13 & 14, 1915
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Tom McElfresh 5-31-03:
From the death certificate, Book 2, page 111,
Rockingham County Courthouse:

Name: Syrepta Turner
Age: 64

Birth date: Oct 10 [year unclear]
Birthplace: Stokes Co, N.C.

Marital status: M

Occupation: [not stated]

Father: S Plumer, b. Stokes Co, N.C.
Mother: Unknown, b. Rockingham N.C.

Informant: J. V. Orrell

Date of death: July 12, 1915
Place of death: R [Rockingham Co]
S [Spray]

Cause of death: Hemphigia [??]
Contributory: [not stated]

Burial: 7/13, 1915
Greensboro

[Note: this document implies a birth date of 10 Oct 1850.
Kristina has 10 Oct 1852.]
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Tom 8-1-03 a
Regarding Sarepta Turner's birth date:

10 Oct 1850 -- implied from the death certificate (age 64 in 1915).
1851-1852 -- the 1870 census (age 18)
1851-1852 -- the 1880 census (age 28)
1852 -- Vestal Fulp, citing the grave marker.
10 Oct 1852 -- Kristina Turner (2002).
Sep 1853 -- the 1900 census (age 46).

I'm still inclined to go with 10 Oct 1852. The death certificate was
very sloppy, and I can't help wondering about the condition of the guy
who filled it out!
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Notes:

From the marriage record (13-7):

COUNTY: Rockingham
Issued: 22 December 1869

GROOM
Name: J. H. R. Turner
Father: Tyre Turner
Mother: [illegible] Turner

BRIDE
Name: Sarepta Plummer
Father: Thorton Plumer
Mother: Mary Plummer

CERTIFICATE
Marriage date: 30 Dec 1869
Location: Rockingham Co
Performed by: U. S. Black

[Note: The certificate incorrectly indicates the marriage of Tyre
Turner and Sarepta Plummer.]
____________________________________________________


From the marriage record (13-7):

COUNTY: Rockingham
Issued: 22 December 1869

GROOM
Name: J. H. R. Turner
Father: Tyre Turner
Mother: [illegible] Turner

BRIDE
Name: Sarepta Plummer
Father: Thorton Plumer
Mother: Mary Plummer

CERTIFICATE
Marriage date: 30 Dec 1869
Location: Rockingham Co
Performed by: U. S. Black

[Note: The certificate incorrectly indicates the marriage of Tyre
Turner and Sarepta Plummer.]
____________________________________________________

Notes:

Info from Brenda Roberts files:
Tyree was the only Turner listed on the census in Stokes Co 1820, but was married in Rockingham Co to Sally Stephens 16 Sept 1819 -
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Info from Kristina Turner files:
On July 20, 1870 he was in Rockingham Co, Mayo Twp. as listed in 1870 NC census. He gave the middle name as "T" in that census.
Tyre was 71 years old. His wife Mary [Glenn] was 61
Son John was 19, and John's wife, Sarepta [Plummer] was 18.
He apparently died before 1880 census, as he was not listed with his widow and son John R. that year.
He was listed as dead on his son Jas P. Turner's marriage license application on April 22, 1885.
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More info from Kristina Turner:
It's true the Neal, Turner, & Glenn clans were Very intertwined..!!!
[William Neal (1804-1887) 'Could' be George's GG Grandfather - if, indeed,
HE was the father of Harriet Knight (bastard d/o- Malinda Knight)
The other candidate was John Fulp !!]

No, I do not know if Tyre's 2nd wife, Mary Glenn, was born a Glenn.... Per
census data she was b.c.1809 NC and died after the 1880 census....

I've always wondered about the 'H & R' in her son's name -- John H____ R____
Turner (1850 -1889) Could the H & R be a clue about Mary's father -- OR
even Tyre's father !!????

If Mary (Glenn) Turner died in Stokes Co. [while living with her son] then
perhaps she's buried there rather than in Rockingham Co...?? I doubt we'll
ever find Mary's or Tyre's graves. My 'gut' feeling is that Tyre & his
first wife Sally (Stephens) Turner were in Sardis Baptist Cem. - their
stones now long gone......
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Tyree married Mary GLENN on 27 Dec 1849 in Rockingham Co, NC. Mary was born in 1810 in NC. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

SOI: 1850 Census and R'ham Co Mar Recds

Notes:

Notes from Brenda Roberts show Tyree's second marriage was to a Martha.
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According to Gunn's marriage bond index, Tyre Turner & Mary Glenn were
either bonded or married in Rockingham County on 27 Dec 1849. The
actual marriage bond is missing. Gunn cites another work, Index to
marriages 1790-1868, for this data.
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Notes from Brenda Roberts show Tyree's second marriage was to a Martha.
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According to Gunn's marriage bond index, Tyre Turner & Mary Glenn were
either bonded or married in Rockingham County on 27 Dec 1849. The
actual marriage bond is missing. Gunn cites another work, Index to
marriages 1790-1868, for this data.
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Thorton married Mary UNK. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]